[WIP] Nekos mini analysis thread

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  1. Neko

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    • Everyone Neko is still working on this~ give neko some time will you~?

    Hallo everyone~ Neko made this guide so that neko can post all its mini analysis in one single thread without spamming the guides section, il add more topics later on, and please post some ideas.

    I Trystan vs Lindsey
    Its been a long problem for many F2P players on choosing whichever of the two, in this analysis, Neko aims to show all Cons and Pros of each arcana. Neko used their MLB stats on this one.
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    II Lilith x Mei x Arietta x Noel x Adelle
    It's also been a big problem for lots of players on deciding which is the best healer in their hands at the moment, therefore Neko will compare the 3 4 star characters (Arietta, Noel, and Adelle) and the 2 5 star characters (Lilith and Mei) Neko will compare them stat-wise and skill-wise, at MLB, LB0, and with and without a healing rod on both limit breaks.

    *Notes*

    • Neko used a life rod as the weapon for every character since it is "easily" obtainable and farmable. If the reader wants, Neko will add in Adelle's chain quest reward to the guide.
    • There wil be not be many TL;DRs on this one because Lilith won them all.
    • Please PM Neko on how much the life rod boosts. Without that number, this project cannot be completed~!
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    III Yuni vs Schule
    Should Neko add katya into this I wonder~?
    Runefencers deserve some recognition in their role as melee mages, Schule and Yuni are among the most popular right now~ So~ Why not make a analysis about them~?
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    IV Singing mages
    Lame title, don't blame neko plz
    I actually liked this idea a lot from @johnlee198831 So I decided to work on it, were getting a wand demon raid soon and it would be nice to use these characters~ They all have versatile buffs and wondering which would be best isn't a bad idea.

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    Btw feel free to give me more topics on wich to analyze
     
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    Well...I'm bored so I'll just throw down some topics.
    • Orianna vs Melvina
    • Yoshitsugu vs Coro
    • Estimated time (with supporting info) to v2
    • why does Gumi hate its players?
     
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    Something to add would be sultan stuns so less dmg taken by your team in that sense. Being one of those f2p player that's torn between sultan and lindsey, I think what would matter a lot is what other arcanas you got. Maybe you can add something in that regard to the analysis?
     
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    If you think about it, Lindseys invulnerabvility can save some hp for your team too~
    Still, its hard to put Sultans stun in raw numbers, Neko can only give this a mention, and this trait is, again, obtaible with a Lindseys invulnerability.
     
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    Love u Neko but yolde is a girl :(
     
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    Well finally finished a part, now time to ponder on what to do~
     
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    Why Trystan can only heal 572 hp? That's true when hitting only one enemy with the special, but for each enemy hit (and a well placed special can hit more than 3 enemies) he'll heal that 572. So if he gets 3 enemies he heals 1716 damage. Not bad.

    Also, about saving hp, lindsey's special will tank one enemy, while Trystan's will disable 1-2 rows worth of enemies. So if you have one enemy to tank, Lindsey needs less micro, but both can tank effectively. If you have several in a single or in consecutive lines, Trystan is better (but needs a lot of micro not to get stuck).

    Finally, I think you could analyse their kizuna for v2. IMO Trystan's is better.
     
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    First of all neko means he can only heal 572 hp at any given time, the example you gave means he healed 572 hp thrice.

    About kizuna, Sultan (life steal, 4%) wins vs lindsey (extra damage in forest)

    Btw about disabling 2 rows, they must be a genious at micro managing since neko has tried a lot and failed at it

    About the savinh hp, Sultan yes, he will disable the oponent (or y knoa have his stun ignored in act 2 chapter 2) and once the stun wears of, you better pray your Sultan managed to kill them all to retreat back, if not he will be killed(quite hard for that to happen, maybe in events)

    Meanwhile lindsey keeps the damage off from a single enemy, and it can be pretty beneficial when said enemy is inmune to cc (AKA every major boss in CC)
     
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    Yes, neko, I know. I meant that it would be interesting for the sake of comparison that neko adds to the data that he can heal 572 one time per enemy hit. Could be in an IMPORTANT section like the one you created for Lindsey.

    Also, like Rubber, m4rc0 thinks it would be good to add in the analysis the comparison between their tanking potential, like we discussed here and the kizuna.

    This way, anyone that reads the analysis can have the complete picture and make the best decision based on the data available.
     
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    Neko will add another section for the kizuna~

    Neko will pretty up everything when neko is n ot typing on a tablet, is quite annoying to color letters and bold them in one.
     
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    • Critical rate: 50% more healing per attack? 40-48% of the time? Yes please~
    trystan benefits more from dmg than from crits as anyone else(except crit specialists). his average damage with a fictional wpns is
    atk/crit/def (MLB)
    10/10/10 averages 1078 dmg per hit
    15/5/x has 1118 DPH
    5/15/x has 1038 DPH
     
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    Sultan can only heal 16.2 hp per hit with a weapon with 18 attack, no more than that, a critical rate based weapon will heal him more 50% more,
     
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    Yes, but @carct7 is using average damage per hit. Even if you give him more crit chance, more attack yields more damage per hit on average, and since he heals per damage dealt...

    Also, crit doesn't affect the special, while attack does. So this makes the scale move torwards attack even more.
     
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    exactly @m4rc0 , im using the AVERAGE damage, it takes in account crits already and on a full battle you will find that he has healed more with a high dmg weapon than with a high crit wpn.
     
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    Oh well you win, neko forgot quite a important detail in the preliminary stages...
     
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    yea, speaking off i kinda wrote a DPS guide and used a wrong formula. all of it wrong.
     
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    I've been using Trystan in Gauntlet. His dash special has other advantage that we need to take into consideration: it lets you reach those annoying cheerys, aludras and clarices and dispatch them. If you can spin Coro and put him to dash at the mage he can even get the sub party. Also, if you do it coming from the top row, you can leave the healer unscathed to farm mana.

    Getting behind the enemy lines (and surviving while leeching hp) is also another utility for Trystan,
     
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    Neko stated that, but not directly, is written all over the guide:

    "Defense: Charging behind enemy lines doesnt mean you'll get out unharmed..."
     
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